Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

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Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby FatherOf2 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:58 pm

http://www.healthnews.uc.edu/news/?/20494/
http://www.autismrecoverytreatment.com/autism-treatment-using-creatine/
Many autistic kids are low in creatine. Creatine is needed for ATP production. Also helps to build stronger muscles. Has anyone used it and in what doses? Does it have any side effects like hyperactivity? What other supplements help muscles?
Cyclocreatine used in the study can be purchased on line as Cyclo-Creation.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby fiveyearswasted » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:52 pm

In the weightlifting / body building world there are tons of variations of creatine.
We have used some but I don't think we saw any difference. I might re-visit this later again with other mitochondrial support. I think the particularly hyper and low muscle tone kids may benefit more from it.

I am a retailer in the supplement industry and I heard through the grapevine that the makers of Con-Cret were bragging about their creatine being used in studies with autistic kids with good effect.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pmh/concret.html
This is creatine HCL.

The other common form is creatine monohydrate. This is cheap, abundant, and flavorless. But it is gritty and doesn't dissolve very well. You need to take 5 to 10 grams of this compared to 500mg - 2g of the creatine HCL.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html
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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby FatherOf2 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:01 pm

fiveyearswasted wrote:In the weightlifting / body building world there are tons of variations of creatine.
We have used some but I don't think we saw any difference. I might re-visit this later again with other mitochondrial support. I think the particularly hyper and low muscle tone kids may benefit more from it.

I am a retailer in the supplement industry and I heard through the grapevine that the makers of Con-Cret were bragging about their creatine being used in studies with autistic kids with good effect.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pmh/concret.html
This is creatine HCL.

The other common form is creatine monohydrate. This is cheap, abundant, and flavorless. But it is gritty and doesn't dissolve very well. You need to take 5 to 10 grams of this compared to 500mg - 2g of the creatine HCL.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html

Thanks. I didn't know about creatine HCL. Water solubility means a lot to me. I am going to buy it. My son's muscles are almost nonexistent.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby fiveyearswasted » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:36 am

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If you get anything from that, also consider Creatine Magnesium Chelate aka MagnaPower.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/infin ... ne-mp.html
Still a large dose compared to Con-Cret but it has a significant amount of Mg in there so you might be able to knock out two birds with one stone. Supposedly the Mg helps transport the creatine around. Pretty cheap too.
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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby FatherOf2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:15 am

I got Con-Cret at the local Vitamin Shoppe for $30. It is a pretty small serving, great! I'll put Creatine MP on my list for future trials. Can you recommed a good BCAA brand? A store guy recommended it for muscles too.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby fiveyearswasted » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:05 am

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/catal ... site=store

Optimum BCAA 5000 has an unflavored powder. Should be good to mix into fruity drinks. I doubt that it is totally flavorless. Btw, with aminos, the longer they sit in a fluid the worse they taste. Methionine is a great example. Totally HORRENDOUS if you wait 10mins or longer to drink it. So drink them fast.

There are other powders and pills on there. I think you mentioned that your son is not yet taking pills.
Are you avoiding food colorings or artificial flavorings? If not, some of the flavored BCAA's are rather tasty. I am hearing GREAT things about Cellucor Alpha Amino now: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cellu ... amino.html
It has a well rounded profile.

Have you done a blood amino acid levels test yet?
My son was particularly low in cysteine and methionine. BCAA's are good for muscle growth, hence why they are popular with weight training, and also there is some data that high doses are good for siezures.
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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby FatherOf2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:50 am

fiveyearswasted wrote:http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/catalog/search-results.jsp?q=bcaa&output=xml_no_dtd&client=wwwbodybuilding&proxystylesheet=wwwbodybuilding&getfields=description&filter=0&site=store

Optimum BCAA 5000 has an unflavored powder. Should be good to mix into fruity drinks. I doubt that it is totally flavorless. Btw, with aminos, the longer they sit in a fluid the worse they taste. Methionine is a great example. Totally HORRENDOUS if you wait 10mins or longer to drink it. So drink them fast.

There are other powders and pills on there. I think you mentioned that your son is not yet taking pills.
Are you avoiding food colorings or artificial flavorings? If not, some of the flavored BCAA's are rather tasty. I am hearing GREAT things about Cellucor Alpha Amino now: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cellu ... amino.html
It has a well rounded profile.

Have you done a blood amino acid levels test yet?
My son was particularly low in cysteine and methionine. BCAA's are good for muscle growth, hence why they are popular with weight training, and also there is some data that high doses are good for siezures.

Yeas, we are avoiding food colorings and artificial flavorings. We've done blood's amino acid levels. All were within normal ranges except for high Taurine (we supplement it). Cysteine, cystine and sulphate were at the bottom of their ranges. Phenylalanine was at the top of the normal range.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby luis » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:43 pm

This is very old. But I'm researching Mitochondrial disfunction and went into creatine.

Father of 2: have you considered the possibility that your son's irritability on creatine maybe due to excess acidity in the stomach ? This is a common side effect, that's why they've made Kre-Alkalyn.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby FatherOf2 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:00 pm

luis wrote:This is very old. But I'm researching Mitochondrial disfunction and went into creatine.

Father of 2: have you considered the possibility that your son's irritability on creatine maybe due to excess acidity in the stomach ? This is a common side effect, that's why they've made Kre-Alkalyn.

I didn't know about Kre-Alkalyn. Thanks for the info. I just ordered it. We are currently trying Bumetanide and, after 1 month on it, started seeing mild improvements mostly in social skills and language. But, when it takes so long to see mild improvements, one wonders if they are due to natural growth. That is why I am more convinced in those things that work within 1-2 weeks. Creatine was one of them. Hopefully, Kre-Alkalyn will not cause behaviors.

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Re: Creatine or cyclocreatine anyone?

Postby Nikkie111 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:16 am

luis wrote:This is very old. But I'm researching Mitochondrial disfunction and went into creatine.

Father of 2: have you considered the possibility that your son's irritability on creatine maybe due to excess acidity in the stomach ? This is a common side effect, that's why they've made Kre-Alkalyn.

Great tip on creatine!! I had started ages ago and stopped shortly after not sure why probably cause I wasn't seen many benefits but I think that was brand related

So I just bought the hcl version before trying the one you mentioned and have to say he has fantastic energy and helps massively with the other things we are doing!
Thank you very much! I love this site for helpful posts like this!


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